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green_appleOh Dark Angel, I wish I knew how to quit choo.
Except. Not really.
See? the thing with this show is how the relationships played out, and my absolute belief that, eventually, Max would have grown into the high, high role her existence demanded she took. I do belief she needed to go through with Logan for a little while, stop with the moony eyes and longing sighs, get that ball rolling, I mean, when your OTP needs such contrivances as genetically designed viruses to keep them apart thus keeping the interest and mystery going, then you know you've got a problem because, as dramatic and romantic as it might seem, it only tells you that as soon as the lovebirds get together, things are gonna stop being so smooth and you're gonna have to face them with the reality of the fantasies they'd placed on each other and the relationship.
They both thought the other was gonna be their savior, Logan was in it because she seemed like the one who'd understand his devotion to doing the right thing, while Max was interested in the possibility of normal he offered. But realistically, how long could this have lasted? How many bridges would they be able to successfully build to transit across their differences? How many bridges would this require?
I do ship Max/Logan, but only in this capacity, as an experience they both need to go through in order to move on with their lives, grow through each other and finally, ft into where they belong. Which is not to say they are not meant to be together, they are similar enough to make that work, just not romantically. Methinks.
I also ship (hardcore) Max/Alec, and this is beyond my Alec/the rest of the world ship too. Mostly I think Max needs someone like Alec to open up her eyes to the reality of what and who she really is, what the world around her is and what it could be like, he's the exact opposite to Logan in that respect., he brings forward the possibility of a different kind of fairy tale, one where Max doesn't become the princess to a normal man, doesn't get her dream of normality but she does get to become the princess of a bunch of freaks just like her, she gets to fulfill her dreams of belonging and a family. I see this a the ultimate question she'd have to ask herself, which would be best? which does she want the most? which would make her truly happy? The thing with Alec (as with Logan) is that he can make this happen for her, can channel that new self-awareness for Max without getting into romantic entanglements with her. Though I do love the platonic-ness of their relationship, it's utterly cute.
And Joshua. Man, I love Joshua. I love how every character relates so distinctly to him, and how this tells us so much about them, as much as it tells us about Josh himself. He's a great character (whom tends to get butchered in fic, I find) and he's totally one of the most missed characters for me. Him and Alec. And him with Alec, I love how they took to each other (once Max's blessing was given, of course).
And this was brought to you by my denial to study and write school-sanctioned fiction! Joy.
Except. Not really.
See? the thing with this show is how the relationships played out, and my absolute belief that, eventually, Max would have grown into the high, high role her existence demanded she took. I do belief she needed to go through with Logan for a little while, stop with the moony eyes and longing sighs, get that ball rolling, I mean, when your OTP needs such contrivances as genetically designed viruses to keep them apart thus keeping the interest and mystery going, then you know you've got a problem because, as dramatic and romantic as it might seem, it only tells you that as soon as the lovebirds get together, things are gonna stop being so smooth and you're gonna have to face them with the reality of the fantasies they'd placed on each other and the relationship.
They both thought the other was gonna be their savior, Logan was in it because she seemed like the one who'd understand his devotion to doing the right thing, while Max was interested in the possibility of normal he offered. But realistically, how long could this have lasted? How many bridges would they be able to successfully build to transit across their differences? How many bridges would this require?
I do ship Max/Logan, but only in this capacity, as an experience they both need to go through in order to move on with their lives, grow through each other and finally, ft into where they belong. Which is not to say they are not meant to be together, they are similar enough to make that work, just not romantically. Methinks.
I also ship (hardcore) Max/Alec, and this is beyond my Alec/the rest of the world ship too. Mostly I think Max needs someone like Alec to open up her eyes to the reality of what and who she really is, what the world around her is and what it could be like, he's the exact opposite to Logan in that respect., he brings forward the possibility of a different kind of fairy tale, one where Max doesn't become the princess to a normal man, doesn't get her dream of normality but she does get to become the princess of a bunch of freaks just like her, she gets to fulfill her dreams of belonging and a family. I see this a the ultimate question she'd have to ask herself, which would be best? which does she want the most? which would make her truly happy? The thing with Alec (as with Logan) is that he can make this happen for her, can channel that new self-awareness for Max without getting into romantic entanglements with her. Though I do love the platonic-ness of their relationship, it's utterly cute.
And Joshua. Man, I love Joshua. I love how every character relates so distinctly to him, and how this tells us so much about them, as much as it tells us about Josh himself. He's a great character (whom tends to get butchered in fic, I find) and he's totally one of the most missed characters for me. Him and Alec. And him with Alec, I love how they took to each other (once Max's blessing was given, of course).
And this was brought to you by my denial to study and write school-sanctioned fiction! Joy.
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Date: 4/29/09 13:41 (UTC)YES. THIS pretty much sums up why I always favoured Alec/Max over Max/Logan. I always thought Max was kind of lost and just getting herself even loster (totally a word!) by trying to be something she wasn't and it was kind of extremely sad that she wanted to be a normal girl so badly when she was such an awesome freak, y'know?
I was always like, EMBRACE THE FREAK, MAX. And then she DID, in S2. When Alec came along and slunk around without covering up his barcode and was always barking at her that they were BETTER than ordinaries so WHY was she trying so hard??
Well, this, and Max and Alec just looked PRETTIER together than Max and Logan, ahaha.
Ahh, Joshua. Let's face it, season two should have just been the Alec and Joshua show. SPIN OFF, I SAY.
Sigh! Now I am all reminiscent for DA. It's nice. Thank you. :D
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Date: 5/9/09 22:06 (UTC)Exactly. It was heartbreaking at times, because she really wanted something that could never, ever be possible. Understandably, blending in was a necessary tool to survive before, being normal would have saved her the trouble of having to try and blend in in the first place (she thinks), but then that was before
Alec. In S2 the reasons might have been revisited and blending in would have also been a survival tool, but I think that if she had spent more time being a freak instead of guilt tripping over releasing the others onto the world she would have realized that it was the price to pay, many of them died yes, but many others got to thrive and live, and I think this is worth it, a little bit.that they were BETTER than ordinaries so WHY was she trying so hard??
So much love for Alec, man. He just walked out, baggage included, and saw things as they were, FUCKING JUSTICE AND ULTIMATELY UNAVOIDABLE, did the Manticore people really think their secret organization would remain secret 'til the ends of time? Dreamers. And then Max took charge and then we saw again what made her so awesome, flaws be damned. ::hearts Max::
THIS is why I ship Alec/Max so hard, they sort of brought out the best in each other, albeit inadvertently. She wasn't drowning in a sea of sorrow and sadness and omgwe'renevergonnabetogetherboohoo with Alec, mostly she was mad at him but because he MADE HER GROW UP. And Alec got a sense of loyalty thanks to Max, realized that it WAS in him to be better, to care for others. THIS IS WHY.
I second that demand. Honestly, I usually fast forward my eps to the Alec-Joshua moments, they were GOLD.
You are welcome!
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Date: 4/29/09 17:56 (UTC)I totally agree with you about Max and her expectations versus reality, and the difference between what you want and what you need, what's good for you and what just works. My problem, though, is that I'm mostly stuck on season 2 (because of Alec), and I'm incredibly critical of Max in it. I don't even know why anymore (I haven't rewatched the show in years), but I've come to the point where I'm not sure she would be good for Alec. (As in, "he possibly needs someone different", not "she's not good enough for him". I'm not touching that with a ten-foot pole! O.o Also, did I mention I'm a Max/Alec shipper? Or, you know, just an Alec shipper. ^_^)
And that just makes me uncomfortable. Like I'm prejudiced and not going past the knee-jerk reaction of 'she smacked down and belittled Alec so many times', even though he deserved it most of the time, and even though he was faaaar from innocent. *scratches head* Because, objectively, she's generous, and a fighter, and a leader, and a good friend and sister, and compassionate and all, but... *shrugs helplessly* I don't know. I have "whiny and not seeing past her nose and Logan-obsession" stuck in my head with her picture on it, and it just won't go away! Maybe I've read too much bad fanfiction? =)
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Date: 5/9/09 22:19 (UTC)It was very childish of her, and Logan only helped further her childish dreams, granted she was only 19 years-old, but still, one would think he'd realize it was time for her to grow up, his own issues play in here, I guess. Alec confronted her with parts of her nature (both as a freak and as a person) that she rather ignore/deny, so understandably she did not like him very much. But hard truth, man. I do believe that sans Alec, she would have never come to be the person she became in the end, the leader taking charge and standing her ground.
I'm not sure she would be good for Alec
Oh, I struggle with that too. She did give him a purpose and a reason to stay and face himself in all his flawed magnificence, I give her that, but unless she changed a bit, grew some more to look beyond her nose, I don't see him staying for her anymore, maybe he'd move on and this is why I can see their relationship evolving but not necessarily including a romantic involvement, though as I'm told this is where s3 was headed, before the show got axed. However I STILL SHIP THEM 'TIL THE COWS COME HOME AS THEY ARE MY ULTIMATE OTP!
Ahem.
S2 did bring her down a bit, the whole show got brought down, don't really understand why, it had so much going for it, but Cameron choose to focus on the romantic tribulations of cross-star lovers, pfft, Ruiner of Good Things, I name thee, Cameron!
You need to read my work as it is outstanding and the absolute opposite of bad fanfiction ::nods:: =P. Seriously though, why is there so much badfiction out there for DA? Like, why God, why?
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Date: 5/10/09 18:31 (UTC)Yes! Exactly; there's so much more material to go through with Dean; especially since he's one of (just two!) leads.
... and not to quote the rest of your reply, I basically agree with all of it. The OTP 4ever also (though maybe not the ultimate one; it's still Harry/Hermione for me, sorry =)).
I think Cameron tried to do what he did with "Titanic"; tell a grand epic story by focusing on a few individuals, ie. a love triangle. Only problem was, the show developed far past that (or could have, given the chance), and it just didn't work.
*perks up* You have Dark Angel fic? What? WHERE? How did I miss that? O_o
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Date: 5/13/09 23:27 (UTC)The social components were top notch, at least in S1, portraying a reality that was not so out there, despite the main premise, it was about the humanity of it all, and S2 retained this treat as well, but it got watered down when Dr. Brokenheart joined the consultant board...
I do, DA was my first foray into writing fanfiction, for some reason I felt I could do justice to these people. Not sayin' I did, but nor that I didn't. Just that I tried. You can go here:
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Date: 5/14/09 17:28 (UTC)Ohh, I'm one of those people that have to get in the mood to read stuff from old fandoms, but I'm totally checking out your fics. *bookmarks* You'll probably get comments at random places and in some random time in a few months... =)